tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955388713581848615.post8625597660363547446..comments2024-03-14T08:08:39.968+08:00Comments on The Shroud of Turin: Did Max Frei misidentify Carduus argentatus Shroud pollen as Gundelia tournefortii?Stephen E. Joneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955388713581848615.post-42547125419643457862010-09-26T21:18:12.352+08:002010-09-26T21:18:12.352+08:00domenico
>Mr. Jones
Thanks for your comment a...domenico<br /><br />>Mr. Jones<br /><br />Thanks for your comment and apologies for my delay in replying. I am now on holidays from almost full-time work as a relief (aka substitute or supply) teacher, so I can begin to catch up with my blogging.<br /><br />>prof. Danin quotes in his last book prof. Litt sayng: "I cannot make a precise identification of the pollen at the genus level, even less at the species level. However, with a high level of probablility, I can exclude that the pollen I have seen from the sticky tapes belong to Gundelia."<br /><br />I have seen that quoted elsewhere, e.g. on the <a href="http://shroudofturin.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/more-death-certificate-on-the-shroud-of-turin/" rel="nofollow">Shroud of Turin Blog</a> and <a href="http://greatshroudofturinfaq.com/Science/Pollen/Gundelia-tournefortii-questioned.html" rel="nofollow">The Definitive Shroud of Turin FAQ</a>, but from memory I have not posted it myself, although I do have it in a copy of a private email between Prof. Danin and another person:<br /><br />"In his report to CSST Prof. Litt wrote: `The images produced by light microscopy (interference contrast) and by confocal laser-scanning microscopy show clearly that waxes are preserved and cover the structure and sculpture of the pollen grains. This is the reason why I cannot make a precise identification of the pollen at the genus level, even less at the species level. However, with a high probability, I can exclude that the pollen, I have seen on the sticky tapes, belong to Gundelia.'"<br /><br />>but from your post I understand that prof. Litt made indeed an indentification at the genus level (cardus) even if he has previously said it was not possible. So, prof. Litt has changed his mind? <br /><br />I don't know whether Prof. Litt has changed his mind. In the same email Prof. Danin wrote:<br /><br />"In the summer of 2001, I informed Dr. Whanger of the results of the pollen analysis carried out by Prof. Dr. T. Litt in Bonn; I told him that what was considered earlier as Gundelia tournefortii got a lower grading and fell into the `box' of Carduus type."<br /><br />Probably the key to this apparent contradiction is the word "precise." That is, Prof. Litt was able to tentatively identify what Frei thought was the pollen of <i>Gundelia tournefortii</i> as being of the genus <i>Carduus</i>, without being able to conclusively identify it as such.<br /><br />StephenStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955388713581848615.post-34595808845125628232010-08-13T16:12:25.728+08:002010-08-13T16:12:25.728+08:00Mr. Jones,
prof. Danin quotes in his last book pro...Mr. Jones,<br />prof. Danin quotes in his last book prof. Litt sayng: "I cannot make a precise identification of the pollen at the genus level, even less at the species level. However, with a high level of probablility, I can exclude that the pollen I have seen from the sticky tapes belong to Gundelia.".<br /><br />but from your post I understand that prof. Litt made indeed an indentification at the genus level (cardus) even if he has previously said it was not possible..<br />So, prof. Litt has changed his mind?domeniconoreply@blogger.com